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YOU CAN TURN LEFT ON RED IN THE MICHIGAN U

Why is know one doing this? If a sign is not posted that prohibits a left on red, then it is perfectly legal to make a left on red (after you come to a complete stop). I am tired of sitting at the light and honking at the guy/girl in front of me to go, because I normally get the finger or a strange look.  Please read below, I cannot paste in bold but it is clear as day in the Maryland law that this is perfectly legal. Now please stop wasting my time and make a left on red in the Michigan UMd. TRANSPORTATION Code Ann. § 21-202 (2013), TRANSPORTATION, TITLE 21.  VEHICLE LAWS -- RULES OF THE ROAD, SUBTITLE 2.  TRAFFIC SIGNS, SIGNALS, AND MARKINGS , § 21-202. Traffic lights with steady indication , Annotated Code of Maryland Copyright 2013 by Matthew Bender and Company, Inc., a member of the LexisNexis Group All rights reserved. CORE TERMS: signal, intersection, pedestrian, steady, traffic, red, facing, crosswalk, vehicular, roadway, arrow, right-of-way, yellow, marked, subtitle, lawfully, street, control signal, vehicular traffic, cautiously, adjacent, marking, traffic control signals, right turn, near side, circular, stopping, colored, bicycle, warned
... arrows, whether successively one at a time or in combination, only the colors green, red, and yellow may be used.    (2) These lights apply to drivers and pedestrians as provided in this  ...... a steady yellow signal is warned that the related green movement is ending or that a red signal, which will prohibit vehicular traffic from entering the intersection, will be shown immediately  ...... yellow signal is warned that there is not enough time to cross the roadway before a red signal is shown, and a pedestrian may not then start to cross the roadway. (h) Steady red indication -- In general. --    (1) Vehicular traffic facing a steady circular red signal alone:       (i) Shall stop at the near side of the intersection:          1. At a  ...... a signal to proceed is shown.    (2) Vehicular traffic facing a steady red arrow signal:       (i) May not enter the intersection to make the movement indicated  ...... remain stopped until a signal permitting the movement is shown. (i) Steady red indication -- Entering intersection for right turn or for left turn from one- ...... prohibiting a turn is in place, vehicular traffic facing a steady red signal, after stopping as required by subsection (h) of this section, cautiously may  ...... a one-way street onto a one-way street. (j) Steady red indication -- Entering intersection to make turn indicated by sign. -- If a sign permitting any other turn is in place, vehicular traffic facing a steady red signal, after stopping as required by subsection (h) of this section, cautiously may enter the intersection and make the turn indicated by the sign. (k) Steady red indication -- Yielding right-of-way to certain pedestrians. -- In each instance, vehicular  ...... intersection or approaching on another roadway so closely as to constitute an immediate hazard. (l) Steady red indication -- Pedestrians prohibited from entering roadway. -- Unless otherwise directed by a  ...... provided in § 21-203 of this subtitle, pedestrians facing a steady red signal alone may not enter the roadway. (m) Applicability of section. -- Except  ...
PG August 09, 2013 at 01:09 PM
Just because you can do a thing, does not mean you should do a thing. Have some patience, and wait those extra 30 seconds. There are too many accidents on that road because of people who are unwilling slow down.
IwanttheoldPatchback August 09, 2013 at 05:10 PM
um, no if it was 30 seconds maybe but it is more like 2-3 minutes. If it was unsafe then they would have posted a no left turn on red sign
Cathy August 09, 2013 at 05:23 PM
Justin, do you mean turn RIGHT on a red? There are numerous sign saying 'No Turn on Red." Look up next time. Plus, the problem is that the opposite direction is also turning and causes problems. Just like the people that make U turns. Just leave five minutes earlier... It isn't worth it.
Cathy August 09, 2013 at 05:27 PM
P.S. I don't see where in that traffic code where it says a left on a red is allowed. The ONLY time is when there is a flashing red, which is then treated as a stop sign.
IwanttheoldPatchback August 10, 2013 at 09:16 AM
prohibiting a turn is in place, vehicular traffic facing a steady red signal, after stopping as required by subsection (h) of this section, cautiously may ... ... a one-way street onto a one-way street. (j) Steady red indication -- Entering intersection to make turn indicated by sign. -- If a sign permitting any other turn is in place, vehicular traffic facing a steady red signal, after stopping as required by subsection (h) of this section, cautiously may enter the intersection and make the turn indicated by the sign. (k) Steady red indication -- Yielding right-of-way to certain pedestrians. -- In each instance, vehicular ...
T. Smith August 13, 2013 at 09:30 AM
Seems to me that parts are left out of this code. Here is the actual code which clearly indicated that, since signs are in place that say NO TURN ON RED, then you are NOT allowed to make ANY turns on red from the Michigan U. Unfortunately, people still make turns and also make left turns, which are actually prohibited in some places. The NO U-TURN signs apparently are confusing to some. --------------------------- (iii) Except as provided in subsections (i), (j), and (k) of this section, shall remain stopped until a signal permitting the movement is shown. (i) Steady red indication - Entering intersection for right turn or for left turn from one-way street onto one-way street.- Unless a sign prohibiting a turn is in place, vehicular traffic facing a steady red signal, after stopping as required by subsection (h) of this section, cautiously may enter the intersection and make: (1) A right turn; or (2) A left turn from a one-way street onto a one-way street.
Jimmy August 13, 2013 at 10:37 AM
I will still wait and you can still wait behind me.
IwanttheoldPatchback August 13, 2013 at 09:09 PM
T. Smith says it all and quoted the code you can make a left on red
IwanttheoldPatchback August 13, 2013 at 09:09 PM
Tim, will you please follow up with AAPD
Kenn Bing August 14, 2013 at 08:52 AM
Justin. Good luck on this one. You are right about the fact that you can turn from a one way to a one way lane. However this left on red you speak of in the median on route 3 either south or north of Riedel is very rare in this area. Coming from Michigan where their are many avenues with the Michigan U it is more common and more drivers make the turn on left. Of course this is not Michigan, it is Maryland and as you can see in Maryland, they have their own way of making an intersection confusing. I have never seen a Michigan left turn for a divided highway, that did not allow you to go directly across the intersection. The fact that you are forced to make a Michigan left to get to the other side is a first. But as others had pointed out, Obeying traffic control devices in Maryland seems to be treated as an "option to the driver". Violations of the no turn on red signs at both of the new intersections on route 3 are violated constantly. I do wish you luck in educating the drivers in this area and would also suggest you try to avoid these intersections if possible by entering route 3 at a different point. I know i do and i am a happy driver because of it. At the end of the day, the law also states that the person making the "turn on red" may choose not to go, as they determine what is a safe turn as long as the light is red. I share your frustration of inconsiderate drivers, but know that patients will serve you better than trying to change these drivers.
Jimmy August 14, 2013 at 12:29 PM
Not sure how it inconsiderate if I choose to not make a left turn on red if I feel that waiting for oncoming traffic to stop at the red light allows me a safer opportunity to turn onto a busy roadway. Lets face it, as you stated these were not designed very efficiently and I seen several near misses just from the people turning on green. I cant imagine the scenario if vehicles in all three turn lanes go left on red at the same time that oncoming traffic may be flying down the road. So while you can be better served by your patients (must be a doctor) I will allow my patience to keep me safe.
Tim Lemke (Editor) August 14, 2013 at 05:33 PM
Awaiting an official clarification from the police on this.
Kenn Bing August 15, 2013 at 12:41 AM
Glad to see you caught my typo Jimmy! Thank you. Dr. Bing
Kenn Bing August 19, 2013 at 11:03 AM
For clarification in my comment to Justin. ! Inconsiderate referred to drivers who do not turn on red, when their is no on coming cars. A considerate driver would remember they are sharing the road with other drivers and extend this curtsey, if safety would allow. TIM, I am interested in your follow up from the MVA or police department .
PG August 24, 2013 at 02:21 PM
If we're talking courtesy here now, as opposed to the law, then in my book it would be more courteous and considerate (not to mention safer) to wait if the person in front of you has chosen to wait. I stand by my first comment. Wait the 2-3 minutes and choose to be the polite one, even if you think the person in front of you is rude for "getting in your way".
Leigh Couture August 24, 2013 at 09:55 PM
I thought that there was a sign on Reidel at route 3 north that stated no turn on red. The biggest problem that I have encountered are the drivers in the far left lane that still want to go north, cutting in front of the drivers that are making that Michigan U turn (though according to my sister in Michigan this is not a true Michigan U turn.)

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